A thought suddenly struck me…

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By Oliver (AKA the Admin) on 18 comments
in Categories: Just Talking

I don’t know why I didn’t think of that before, but, hey…

The first company that manages to invent a “pill for men”, so that their sperm loses its fertile ability, will earn BILLIONS from this !

Sure, mankind has other worries, but, please, I hope a lab manages to invent a pill like that :D

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John Ymous
John Ymous
10 years ago

I disagree… There might not be that much of a market for two reasons:
* Monogamy: the fact that women are the ones who can't run from their pregnancy make contraception their de facto responsibility. To put it bluntly, a victim of rape would not find much comfort in the fact that her husband uses a chemical contraceptive and/or a condom. It's a sad reality.
* Polygamy / open relationships: any lifestyle involving multiple partners sensibly imposes the use of condoms to prevent STIs, so there is not much added value to male contraception.

That doesn"t mean that no one ever tried, though. Always a good thing to have alternatives. People have been working on this for years. Inducing >>reversible<< infertility into men has proven to be harder, though, as we offer less "attack vectors". We have no recurrent "infertility periods" that can be frozen in time: we are supposed to be constantly fertile, unlike women. Another example: the closest thing to an IUD we have so far is this I thing: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risug
Which require a medical intervention.
I have heard of an equivalent to the women's pill, that takes the form of a small rod, injected e.g. under the skin of the arm, and that would dissolve over the course of a few months? years? That would be nice and even less compilcated than the pill. Its efficiency is demonstrated I believe, but it is still under test to prove itsd long term innocuity and to confirm the reversibility.
In substance, others have had a few years head start. Good luck catching up with them ;)

Oliver AKA The Admin
Admin
10 years ago
Reply to  John Ymous

I'll have to disagree on one point, that protection against fertility is women's responsibility, and theirs alone. Two reasons for this

– even the IUD and the pill, supposedly the most efficient protection measure for women, leave room for a 1-2% chance of fertilization. Applied to one's sexual life, this is an actual risk.
Imagine that out of 100 ejaculations, 2 of them are likely to make your wife pregnant if you do that in the proper 4 days time lapse of the month. This is a real risk.

– some women react really badly to the pill. My wife has painful periods, but when she takes the pill (she tried all 3 generations) she has even worse symptoms, sadly, that may happen. So, she's NOT on the pill : I can tell you, for me, this is always a nagging annoying thought. I love the idea that I'm a fertile person (every of our 3 kids was "launched" on the very first try, she calls me El Fecondator as a joke, to please my ego ^^), I wouldn't want to definitely suppress my reproductive ability, so I can't do anything, on my end, to prevent the fertilization risk.

FluoCrazyKenny
FluoCrazyKenny
10 years ago

Several companies are actively working on it because, as you said, it will earn billions.

As far as I know, they already has developed some prototype, they are under testing but the result is not 100% sure (they still remains some spermatozoa) and they still struggle to give a full recovery after stopping the pills (you can still be infertile even if you stop taking pills). But overall, the research is in a good way according to scientists.

They forecast a public release within 5 to 10 years. For you and me, it will be almost too late ;)

Oliver AKA The Admin
Admin
10 years ago
Reply to  FluoCrazyKenny

Let's hope :D

Allafue
Allafue
10 years ago

Well there is also chemical castration… but that might be a bit too extreme…

Eve
Eve
10 years ago

Oliver you are a genius but most dumn asses want to be able to get a women pregnant so is probably par the problem now us new gen folks may no think that way lol

Eve
Eve
10 years ago

now seriously talking the pill does have very bad reactions or second effect on women hear and know from some gf that when from really just annoying acne, painful periods or some type of sickness.
now there is a thought ok so you don't think we should share the responsibility ( you as someone say so) as a man but thinking that you coul have fun go around or just be with your girl and you are sure you will not get her pregnant would't be a most relaxing and painless solution been you fooling around or just in your actual relationship.
but there is also the possibility of us getting esteril lol as women could get also.

sorry for the other post felt like been an idiot XD

LogID
LogID
10 years ago

Sorry, man. It won’t happen for a long time. Men, generally speaking, are just lazy bastards, irresponsible and don’t see it as their responsibility.

Check this out:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/03/male-birth-control-reversible_n_1400708.html

Huf Post, but you can find articles about the same method anywhere. It’s been successfully tested for 25 years. It lasts 10 years and is reversible. No side effects. And we’ve never heard of it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
10 years ago

I highly doubt it'll be as successful as you imagine. How many men would actually fork out their hard-earned cash to incapacitate their little troopers? I think most would be more willing to pay for the pill, the morning after pill, or in the worst case, an abortion. Let her deal with the hormonal changes, headaches and everything that comes with it.

The only real advantage to a male pill would be as a defense against paternity claims or if you have a partner who, for some reason or other, is unable to use contraception of her own. And even then, I'd rather use a condom.

johnsmith
johnsmith
10 years ago

U dont like using condoms. I agree

Uji
Uji
10 years ago

Star Trek!

No, seriously. In an Episode of DS9 (I wave my nerd flag proudly), they discuss the fact that Captain Sisko forgot his injection, this occurs somewhere in season 7 (hoist that nerd flag!).

I honestly think there would be a huge world wide market for such a pill / injection / etc. Especially one that would either work for an extended time period, say a month or so per dose. Bareback with no chance of child, thus no child-support. This would sell like mad.

itscoming
itscoming
10 years ago

Ive been keeping up with Vasalgel, they just got through rabbit trials and are moving on to baboons, with human testing to follow that. It’s not 100% equal to whats in india, but the idea is to make it even better. It kills and blocks sperm for sure, but what they are really testing are safe ways to dissolve the polymer and confirm your little guys would come back even after years of having it in place. They are relying on crowdsourcing because no pharma company is going to sponsor a method that would essentially destroy their billion/trillion dollar birth control market. they want an expensive drug they would have to sell you on a recurring basis.

hhh
hhh
10 years ago

They would earn much more with a pill that make sperm taste very good. But that's something that no one research for real…

HurpDurp
HurpDurp
10 years ago
Reply to  hhh

It's cause those already exist. It's called citrus flavored candy. <_<

HentaiAddict
10 years ago
Reply to  HurpDurp

There are pills that allegedly do just that. Non-prescription 'dietary supplements' for sale in the back Hustler and other fine magazines.

Or, just eat pineapple and avoid coffee / tobacco / alcohol / spicy foods (no fun!).

HentaiAddict
10 years ago

Someone, like say Pfizer (makers of the get-a-boner pill, Viagra) could make 2 pills, that do opposite to make everyone happy. And make them Viagra friendly, of course. The green pill makes the man extra-fertile for those trying to conceive. The red pill makes the man sterile for those that really really want to avoid getting the lady preggers.

That'd be rather cool.

hermesklepto
hermesklepto
10 years ago

The closest thing to a male contraceptive pill is something called Gandarusa (Justificia gendarussa) which is currently being prepped for production in Indonesia. It works by removing the ability of sperm to penetrate the egg, is reversible, and supposedly even increases libido for some people in the trials. It is supposed to hit the market in 1 or 2 years.

It seems to be free of negative side effects, which is good, and should not be too expensive.The only potential negatives I see are, similar to the pill for women, a man has to remember to take it, and also has to keep purchasing it as long as they wish to remain infertile. Secondly, unlike with sperm count tests, the test to see whether it is working is pretty costly, which I guess is only a problem for people who want to be super sure. (But women don't really do this with their pill, and we just trust that the products work).

Positives are that it does not affect sperm production or the anatomy at all, only one particular part of the sperm. So it shouldn't contribute to the machoistic fear of emasculation that I can't help but think is behind some opposition to male birth control.

Then of course, there is RISUG/Vasalgel as someone else mentioned, which I think is the best option, as it lasts for like 10 years, is cheap, and reversible, and doesn't do any damage to the anatomy like vasectomy does. The long term effect means that you can't forget to take it, and you don't have to think about it, and since it is non-hormonal there are no side effects to note, and it doesn't affect the natural fertiliy of the man, just his ability to fertilize.

I think it actually makes more sense for contraception to be aimed at males, for several reasons. Viewing it as a woman's responsibility seems somewhat childish to me, and counterproductive for men who are not in a monogamous relationship, as it puts contraception in their hands. And of course, it is much simpler and more elegant medically to target the male rather than the female. Of course, I think the real obstacle will be drug companies opposing it, as it will be kind of difficult to make money off the idea of Vasalgel or Gandarusa (since Gandarusa is a natural substance it can't be patented). But that is no reason not to attempt it, and neither is one's personal preference for or against either of these methods, because it is always better to have the choice and reject than not have it at all.

BTW, here is the link to the latest Vasalgel newsletter, in case anyone is motivated to invest in the future of mankind (and humankind): http://myemail.constantcontact.com/New-male-contr

Ggg
Ggg
10 years ago

Richard Hammond don't think it's a good idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-9rx2RXx1I