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It’s not an internet problem. It’s a human problem: imbecility takes many forms ¬_¬

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Hey guys.

Just a pointless rant, without any conclusion anyway… just, well, something I had to get out of my system. I’m feeling better to write it out, at least…

I can’t truly get this out of my mind, it’s both stupid, and so sadly typically human. Like we’re never making any progress.

Have you heard about the silly Sakimichan crusade? The artist lewded a teenage female character, turning her into both a babe and an adult, explaining she had drawn an older version of her. Sankakucomplex has coverage of it with screenshots, Twitter has the original tweet (but I suspect some of the most embarrassing reactions are or will be deleted eventually.)

And a whole brigade of self-righteous people blamed the girl for “drawing a child”, calling it pedophilia.
It wouldn’t matter that the character is a drawing, inspired from an anime, inspired from a manga, AKA fictional.
It wouldn’t matter that an adult was drawn, as she was a teenager in the series (aged 13 or 14, I think.)
It wouldn’t matter the original age of 13/14 (I’m too lazy to check) isn’t pedophilia anyway, there’s a word for that and it’s psychologically different from pedophilia.

Rrrrrrrrrrrright. Preposterous.
Hypocritical.
I have no sympathy for those who deliberately dumb themselves to feel they’re right.
And, btw, all women used to be children at some point, so we’re all pedos? So logical.

It’s ridiculous, and it saddens me for so many reasons, argh.

One of those reasons, is that when I enter internet discussions, I’m frequently called an SJW, and it’s getting me grouped with scum like that who find it normal to harass an artist over such stupid reasons. For fuck’s sake, don’t group “let’s have fun poking alt-right-retards with facts” Oliver with the moral bigots, please.

But mostly, it’s showing we simply don’t fucking evolve.

Before the internet, we had school bullying and workplace bullying. The former required individual strength in the earlier grades, social charisma in the latter grade, while at work, it’s a combination of being a good sucker to the higher-ups and a good psychopath (no empathy, skilled liar) to the colleagues and lower ranks.

And now, with the internet?
You don’t need to be muscular. You don’t need real life (in person) charisma. You don’t need good manipulation and lying skills.
You can be an ugly nobody unable to hold a five minutes conversation face to face with someone, and be a bully, woot, woohoo! Just start a twitter thread, and enjoy the sensation of power as you report someone for being a pedo, and smile as your retweet counter explodes.

That doesn’t reduce the count of school and workplace bullies, that simply adds numbers to the bullies’ army, now incorporating people who would have had zero chance of oppressing others before.

Just because, damnit, it’s still in our nature. As a species, we invented writing, music, theorized justice, reached out to space, created wikipedia, but there’s always that thirst for blood, that pleasure to harass the weaker.
Until recently, harassing, oppressing, was the privilege of the strong, of the skilled, and now with the internet, any small loser can try his hand and become one of the “alphas”.

They’re all weak, deep inside. Weak, small, puny persons. The truly strong don’t need to do that.

But it’s making me so sad to have, every day, on so many occasions, a renewed “opportunity” to witness we don’t progress, that every one of us has that seed of being rotten deep inside :(

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Senra
Senra

I love how people are blowing this out of proportion but Yoko Littner gets ignored despite being the same situation? Fuck that dichotomy. Artist’s renditions are exactly that. Both gets a pass.

SilferEX
SilferEX

like i was thinking the same thing, isn’t yoko from gurren lagann like 14 herself and no one bats an eye. people nowadays are catering to the sjws and its ruining entertainment.

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So if aging up an underage character is wrong, does that mean every nude picture/drawing/video ever is pedophilia, since those characters were once children in their lives before they became an adult?

Also, the term you want is Hebephilia, which is being attracted to post pubescent minors, aka 13-18.

Pedophilia is being attracted to per-pubescent minors, but these days people just use pedophilia as a catch all

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Also, what about the fact that teens sexualise themselves and have sex? Does that make teens having sex with teens pedo? kek

MarqFJA87
MarqFJA87

RE hebephilia: You’re assuming that the anti-pedo crusaders being discussed make a distinction between “prepubescent” and “post-pubescent but legally underage”.

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It was a reply because Oliver specifically mentioned no0t knowing what the term was

FailBoatInSpace
FailBoatInSpace

At this point I think the language doesn’t even matter anymore, being attracted to someone under the legal age for consensual sex is just the new definition of Pedophile. Its the way that languages evolves. A word’s definition is entirely defined by use. If the language stops using that particular definition for that word, then the meaning changes.

On the subject of the pic itself, while I can see both sides of the argument, I got to go with the idea that up aging an imaginary character isn’t pedophilia, but up aging a real person is.

And that is part of the problem with this whole situation. To a lot of the people that are upset, Nezuko is real to THEM, even if they know she isn’t REAL. They read the comic, they watch the show, they build the emotional attachment, they unintentionally build the savior complex toward her and when they feel she has been attacked, they attack back.

To them the picture itself doesn’t matter, its the implied sexual attraction to a character that is predominantly depicted as underage that is the problem. To them Nezuko is underage, and they are unwilling and/or unable to form the mental disconnect to her cannon age.

And even if someone doesn’t actually care about the pic itself, they do care that there are people out there that try to use excuses like this in order to get away with pedophilia. Which in reality is something that people should be worried about. Anybody that tries to make excuses for attraction to underage bodies is someone who will try to lie their way out of facing the reality of their attraction, which can sometimes create a deeper disconnect from reality. Its not healthy to try to rationalize attraction to underage people.

Then again I was the guy who kept trying to get Oliver to upload the Wata 120 Percent (Menyoujan)- [email protected] series, despite how he kept saying that he felt uncomfortable with uploading it because he felt Azusa looked too young for his comfort…

See the comments section here- https://www.hentairules.net/2014/02/10/char-no-ero-hon-english-full-color-an-infinite-stratos-hentai-doujinshi-by-wata-120/

and here- https://www.hentairules.net/2014/04/05/fuyui-yui-winter-yui-english-now-fully-decensored-a-k-on-hentai-doujinshi-by-abe-morioka/

so its not like I have a high horse to ride in on for this conversation, I got my foot stuck in the stirrup of my donkey and am being dragged through the shit as I talk, so take this argument with the pound of shit that I am…

yarudazuigu
yarudazuigu

I feel stupid, because I had a brain-crash when trying to find logical way in wich picture of a sexy woman is paedophilic in any way, shape or form from not-crazy-delusional point of view.
Why? Because there was no fucking child on the picture, unless that babe is freshly pregnant but not showing, thus idiots on the internet remain idiots.

News at 11, in other ways. Like Einstein once said, human capacity for stupidity is infinite, and thus they always find more ways to make me regret being born a human, too.

Keep strong Oliver! At least Hentai will dissapoint you only once, when the title don’t hint on content you dislike, and then you can return to tried and true works you love. :)

MHM
MHM

Short and to the point, my suggested way to deal with stuff like this if ever it shows itself:

Take about 10 seconds to do THIS (see picture below), then get on with your life, knowing that other people’s behavior doesn’t necessarily have to exercise any effect on yours.
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MarqFJA87
MarqFJA87

Just for clarity, when you say “alt-right-retards” to describe yourself, what the hell is that supposed to mean?

Khronos
Khronos

Actually he’s saying that he pokes at (fact checks) ‘alt-right’ people and arguing that it doesn’t make him an SJW (though that may depend in part on how he defines ‘alt-right’ and the nature of the ‘facts’ he uses). Which is probably right given what I’ve read on this site over the years. I won’t say he’s the most objective person around, but then again the most objective person around would technically be a sociopath so that’s probably for the better.

Pavlov
Pavlov

I’m sorry you had to find out this way, Oliver, but it turns out that there are stupid people both for and against every cause there is. To put it another way, consider one of Niven’s Laws: “There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.” Just because there are stupid SJWs, it doesn’t mean that everything the SJWs stand for is wrong. And there are people who oppose them who are stupid. It turns out that stupidity isn’t exactly in short supply.

I was going to talk about time machines being pedophilia enablement devices but that sort of thing is just playing the moron game. I’m just going back to ignoring this shit.

B99
B99

Ima have to agree with pavlov, there is only, in my (very) humble opinion, only a few truly consistent thing with the universe, being time only goes forward, we all gon’ die at some point or other, and the last is that stupidity knows no age,race or social boundaries.

Internet is to debating what the first firearm was to fighting : the great equalizer, meaning that even the smallest wimp could now take down giants in relative safety.

And sadly in both cases mixing that with stupid leads to unfortunate results.

format
format

eeh, this kinda stuff is best not to get drawn into one way or another – discourse has become too polarised.

someone put drawings on internet, some liked pictures, some didn’t. not everything needs to be responded to.

Balance12
Balance12

I just wanted to add to this simple rant, people that tend to be SJW are people that are addicted to being on the “good side” and that is like a rush of endorphins. Also we as a species we are not weak, rather is the lack of taking our own responsibility and that we always rely on things that generate escapism to live life on this reality. People can be good if they want to, it just that sometimes IMO is that they communicate that way because they do not know other mean of expressing themselves.

Goalposthead
Goalposthead

I absolutely agree with your point of view on SJW’s addiction to righteousness. In fact, I’ll go even further: they get a rush out of this and also solve their own insecurities. The most proeminents bigots are often the worse of the closeted deviants, in a way or another and that public attitude they adopt is also a way to make themselves “good” in their very own eyes despite their secret flaws.
Being good or bad, as ugly the fact can be, is strictly a matter of perspective. Good and evil are flawed concepts. As long as we function as a society, It’s all about what is acceptable or not in the eyes of said society. If it is unacceptable, then it’s labeled as evil or bad. Presenting oneself as a protector of what’s good is, rather, presenting oneself as an advocate of what society says is right. If we ever set foot on another inhabited planet where they have totally different customs, we might be in for a nasty shock :)
So… in the end, it’s not even about being right or wrong. It’s about being humble and admitting that what we defend are opinions molded by our experience of life and that of those who came before. Right and wrong simply make us more comfortable by telling us where we are supposed to stand as far as our social environment is concerned. There are those who adhere to it, those who deviate from it and also those who, in hubris, are convinced that their opinion defines the template of what is acceptable when they are not even a footnote in the history of their own culture. And that last group is exactly what SJW are.

oldbrokenhands
oldbrokenhands

Reading the posts, it’s like a combo of the Salem witch trials and what was happening in that French historical drama from 1996 called Ridicule.

Folks pumping themselves up by outing an imagined slight against society.

Sadly these cycles happen and it takes a sacrificial lamb to make folks come to their senses.

I know stuff like this is ruining comedy, watching the latest Dave Chappelle special and shaking my head while the critics are digging their knives into him.

In the future legalese will become a language and protocol that produces a bunch of bland, uninspiring people who complain that nothing exciting ever happens.

Lordlundar
Lordlundar

Eh, The ones going against Sakimichan are doing it just because they have a “gotcha” moment. They’ve never liked the artist because they think Saki’s “sold out” with commercial guides and such. (oh no! an artist actually making money! *sigh* The concept of a starving artist is not supposed to be a goal) And the real hypocrisy is I’d bet the ones complaining have been backing those article about how pedophilia is fine and supporting actual pedophiles.

Skå Vi Älska?
Skå Vi Älska?

Sakimichan has adulted and lewded Tsuyu Asui (Froppy from MHA) as well.

She’s 15 in the series. Have they had a crack at her for that as well? If not, their argument is not only invalid, it’s quite possibly projection.

Check the tweet from *sigh* ‘Vegitto the Unstoppable’ on the Sankaku page: “DELETE DIS. SHE’S OUR BABY! SHE MUS BE PROTECTED NOT LEWDED” – YOUR baby? Really, ‘Vegitto’? Why do you want to protect a cartoon character so bad – so you can keep her 14-year-old form for yourself?

Or maybe it’s because Sakimi is female. Perhaps it’d be alright if she was a guy, because a woman adulting and lewding their favourite underage characters destroys their fans’ childhoods or some bullshit. It’d be alright if another dude did it.

Morons gotta moron. *atomic facepalm*

Goalposthead
Goalposthead

Hmm I have a feeling that usually, a female would get a pass for most things “wrong” that a male could be punished for. It’s kinda the new normal in SJWland. Rather, it’ looks to me like a combo of idolatry and SJWness. I’ve seen plenty of cases where males were tarred and feathed for daring to lewd up any given character that a group of people idolized. These zealots, by the way, are not that different from the crazies who will try to stab their favorite idol if she doesn’t notice them. Fictional character have it easier :)

garhunt
garhunt

hey oliver I @ you on twitter but I want to elaborate on my point. I think this is just a wierd situation but I see why people reacted so strongly, it’s because the show is good and they got connected to the character who isn’t sexual in the show. that and recently sankaku complex got mad over a translation of “lolicon” to “pedophile” and one of the top shows this year had a character that was canonically 10 but suddenly aged to 20-22 for “story” reasons as well as a major voice actor being outed as a creep. It’s been a divisive year in anime more than usual.

As for me I don’t mind it is kind of squick though because the character is well written and well liked without relying on sex appeal. That and the expressed purpose of the art is a sexy version of a child character that people like as a child character.

I really don’t understand the “not real” argument it’s never the issue at hand and frankly it cheapens erotic art as a whole cause if someone draws porn of a subject we define it as that subject but when it’s (obvious) minors people start dodging like Neo. Rape, incest, BSDM, Guro/gore don’t face this type of scrutiny despite only one of those being legal.

PS apparently a pornstar who offered rather light criticism privatized her twitter likely cause of harassment. feels bad man

pizzaguy
pizzaguy

Thank you, Oliver.

nomnom
nomnom

soo, in 2004 after watching Harry potter and prisoner of Azkaban, I was fantasizing aging up Hermione Granger to 17-19yo.. does it count as pedophile?

MHM
MHM

Something perhaps worth considering: there’s an H-doujin series featuring aged-up versions of Misaka and Shirai from Index/Railgun (an E-Hentai gallery link of one of the works is below). I don’t claim to be a fan of either character, but IMHO, it would be equally stupid if some (oft-times self-proclaimed) SJW goes ballistic over the age-up (IIRC, their canon story time age is no more than 14 ).

https://e-hentai.org/g/1493164/b65209758e/