It’s not an internet problem. It’s a human problem: imbecility takes many forms ¬_¬

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By Oliver (AKA the Admin) on 33 comments
in Categories: Just Talking

Hey guys.

Just a pointless rant, without any conclusion anyway… just, well, something I had to get out of my system. I’m feeling better to write it out, at least…

I can’t truly get this out of my mind, it’s both stupid, and so sadly typically human. Like we’re never making any progress.

Have you heard about the silly Sakimichan crusade? The artist lewded a teenage female character, turning her into both a babe and an adult, explaining she had drawn an older version of her. Sankakucomplex has coverage of it with screenshots, Twitter has the original tweet (but I suspect some of the most embarrassing reactions are or will be deleted eventually.)

And a whole brigade of self-righteous people blamed the girl for “drawing a child”, calling it pedophilia.
It wouldn’t matter that the character is a drawing, inspired from an anime, inspired from a manga, AKA fictional.
It wouldn’t matter that an adult was drawn, as she was a teenager in the series (aged 13 or 14, I think.)
It wouldn’t matter the original age of 13/14 (I’m too lazy to check) isn’t pedophilia anyway, there’s a word for that and it’s psychologically different from pedophilia.

Rrrrrrrrrrrright. Preposterous.
Hypocritical.
I have no sympathy for those who deliberately dumb themselves to feel they’re right.
And, btw, all women used to be children at some point, so we’re all pedos? So logical.

It’s ridiculous, and it saddens me for so many reasons, argh.

One of those reasons, is that when I enter internet discussions, I’m frequently called an SJW, and it’s getting me grouped with scum like that who find it normal to harass an artist over such stupid reasons. For fuck’s sake, don’t group “let’s have fun poking alt-right-retards with facts” Oliver with the moral bigots, please.

But mostly, it’s showing we simply don’t fucking evolve.

Before the internet, we had school bullying and workplace bullying. The former required individual strength in the earlier grades, social charisma in the latter grade, while at work, it’s a combination of being a good sucker to the higher-ups and a good psychopath (no empathy, skilled liar) to the colleagues and lower ranks.

And now, with the internet?
You don’t need to be muscular. You don’t need real life (in person) charisma. You don’t need good manipulation and lying skills.
You can be an ugly nobody unable to hold a five minutes conversation face to face with someone, and be a bully, woot, woohoo! Just start a twitter thread, and enjoy the sensation of power as you report someone for being a pedo, and smile as your retweet counter explodes.

That doesn’t reduce the count of school and workplace bullies, that simply adds numbers to the bullies’ army, now incorporating people who would have had zero chance of oppressing others before.

Just because, damnit, it’s still in our nature. As a species, we invented writing, music, theorized justice, reached out to space, created wikipedia, but there’s always that thirst for blood, that pleasure to harass the weaker.
Until recently, harassing, oppressing, was the privilege of the strong, of the skilled, and now with the internet, any small loser can try his hand and become one of the “alphas”.

They’re all weak, deep inside. Weak, small, puny persons. The truly strong don’t need to do that.

But it’s making me so sad to have, every day, on so many occasions, a renewed “opportunity” to witness we don’t progress, that every one of us has that seed of being rotten deep inside :(

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Garm
Garm
4 years ago

No, it’s 2019, ppl must by offendet about something, because “current year”, or some other NPC mumbo jumbo.

DrunkenFerret
DrunkenFerret
4 years ago

honestly I agree with you 100% on the rant. I am not an SJW myself and I mean that in the term of fighting others battles for them on the norm. Not the crazy radicals that have taken over like in Black Lives Matters. I just say let people be themselves and stop criticizing and labeling everyone so easily. You can’t have any kinda opinion against the masses without being called some derogatory term. I’ve been called a white cis male, toxic, the devil and etc just for not blindly following the angry mobs opinion. I’m not even white lol as soon as I say im black and hispanic im immediately called a traitor or uncle tom. I just think people are more divided than ever and gotta stick they’re political agenda into everything. Forcing diversity and making it a big thing seems counter productive to me. Why can’t people just do what they want and if you like it good, if you don’t no problem there is always other things. It’s a sad age we live in man. I think your a great guy tho :)

Goalposthead
Goalposthead
4 years ago

I am a bit surprised that anyone would call *you* a special nowflake of a SJW, Oliver, as you have always made clear that you express your tastes when it comes to themes, instead of brandishing an Absolute Rule of What Is Right like the aforementioned SJW do. Also, SJW’s wouldn’t even post hentai manga on the internet in the first place, them being such paragons of purity of the soul and blablablah. No, you really don’t fit that description even a little bit :)
As for the whole shit storm you mentioned, I read about it yesterday… and as usual, those wailing about the incriminated artwork are simply the usual crew of killjoys who can’t stand that anyone, anywhere, might have penchants not matching their holy standards. I have always wondered what treasures could be fished out of these people’s hard drives… one might be surprised. Those who yell the loudest are usually the worse, in that matter.
Latest bullshit I have seen: a woman has invented a chair designed so that a man sitting on it cannot do so with his legs spread. Because, you know: it’s an offensive stance for a man to take. If you’re not a black lesbian/transgenre militant of the feminist rights who saves kittens and eats only vegan, nowadays, you’re evil. So… drawing anything a bit saucy, regardless of the character’s age, is an unforgivable crime in itself.
Social justice is not social justice anymore. It’s just bigotry in disguise and the first thing bigots do is to ruin it for everybody else. Feminism is not feminism anymore. It used to be a movement for women’s emancipation, meant for them to surpass an actual patriarchy and gain the same rights AND duties as men, which was totally fair. Now, the movement has been taken over by sour harpies who only want to “get back at men” and who are, let’s face it, just as bad as the ones who hurt them in the first place. Oh and, they want a free pass at everything because, women. There is no worse oppressor than the one who got oppressed in the first place, it seems.
I would essentially blame the idiots who invented and served to us the tool that is called social networks. If you give an interesting thing to idiots or ill-intended people, they WILL abuse it. And oh Hell, do they abuse it. Mob justice has become righteousness and there is no need to think before you speak anymore. You can yell with the mob, carrying a torch and pitchfork, it’s okay, it makes you a crusader for the good of humankind all for the effort of clicking and typing. Being an asshole has never been more energy efficient than nowadays.

I would probably welcome a zombie apocalypse, if I can be guaranteed that the internet mob will get eaten first. In fact, I would even hand over the ketchup.

oldbrokenhands
oldbrokenhands
4 years ago

No I get it, the world is going through a stupid phase right now, but looking at your post, and reading other forums, it looks like were at a turning point of folks getting tired of it.

Karl
Karl
4 years ago

When did Internet Politics(tm) forget that the “alt-right” is a radicalized minority, and not the sole, complete whole of the political-right, and that SJWs are not the majority of the political-left, and are actually what should be considered the just as radicalized, just as small minority “alt-left”?

Devan
Devan
4 years ago
Reply to  Karl

Both are a minority, one has a huge megaphone and is drowning out the majority of said political side

John Doe
John Doe
4 years ago

welcome to the age where internet can make us more-stupiderer-than-before which can cause the involution of humanity leading people towards imbecile, with internet people can share what they believe was the truth and convince other or looking validation for it and its not rare we found what they believe was a false truth.
To make matter worse, some people or entity are intentionally doing this, fooling others and using psychological tricks to twist others’ mind, and they deliberately doing this to gain advantage..

Senra
Senra
4 years ago

I love how people are blowing this out of proportion but Yoko Littner gets ignored despite being the same situation? Fuck that dichotomy. Artist’s renditions are exactly that. Both gets a pass.

SilferEX
SilferEX
4 years ago
Reply to  Senra

like i was thinking the same thing, isn’t yoko from gurren lagann like 14 herself and no one bats an eye. people nowadays are catering to the sjws and its ruining entertainment.

Name*
Name*
4 years ago

So if aging up an underage character is wrong, does that mean every nude picture/drawing/video ever is pedophilia, since those characters were once children in their lives before they became an adult?

Also, the term you want is Hebephilia, which is being attracted to post pubescent minors, aka 13-18.

Pedophilia is being attracted to per-pubescent minors, but these days people just use pedophilia as a catch all

Name*
Name*
4 years ago
Reply to  Name*

Also, what about the fact that teens sexualise themselves and have sex? Does that make teens having sex with teens pedo? kek

MarqFJA87
MarqFJA87
4 years ago
Reply to  Name*

RE hebephilia: You’re assuming that the anti-pedo crusaders being discussed make a distinction between “prepubescent” and “post-pubescent but legally underage”.

Name*
Name*
4 years ago
Reply to  MarqFJA87

It was a reply because Oliver specifically mentioned no0t knowing what the term was

FailBoatInSpace
FailBoatInSpace
4 years ago
Reply to  Name*

At this point I think the language doesn’t even matter anymore, being attracted to someone under the legal age for consensual sex is just the new definition of Pedophile. Its the way that languages evolves. A word’s definition is entirely defined by use. If the language stops using that particular definition for that word, then the meaning changes.

On the subject of the pic itself, while I can see both sides of the argument, I got to go with the idea that up aging an imaginary character isn’t pedophilia, but up aging a real person is.

And that is part of the problem with this whole situation. To a lot of the people that are upset, Nezuko is real to THEM, even if they know she isn’t REAL. They read the comic, they watch the show, they build the emotional attachment, they unintentionally build the savior complex toward her and when they feel she has been attacked, they attack back.

To them the picture itself doesn’t matter, its the implied sexual attraction to a character that is predominantly depicted as underage that is the problem. To them Nezuko is underage, and they are unwilling and/or unable to form the mental disconnect to her cannon age.

And even if someone doesn’t actually care about the pic itself, they do care that there are people out there that try to use excuses like this in order to get away with pedophilia. Which in reality is something that people should be worried about. Anybody that tries to make excuses for attraction to underage bodies is someone who will try to lie their way out of facing the reality of their attraction, which can sometimes create a deeper disconnect from reality. Its not healthy to try to rationalize attraction to underage people.

Then again I was the guy who kept trying to get Oliver to upload the Wata 120 Percent (Menyoujan)- AZUS@TTACK series, despite how he kept saying that he felt uncomfortable with uploading it because he felt Azusa looked too young for his comfort…

See the comments section here- https://www.hentairules.net/2014/02/10/char-no-ero-hon-english-full-color-an-infinite-stratos-hentai-doujinshi-by-wata-120/

and here- https://www.hentairules.net/2014/04/05/fuyui-yui-winter-yui-english-now-fully-decensored-a-k-on-hentai-doujinshi-by-abe-morioka/

so its not like I have a high horse to ride in on for this conversation, I got my foot stuck in the stirrup of my donkey and am being dragged through the shit as I talk, so take this argument with the pound of shit that I am…

yarudazuigu
yarudazuigu
4 years ago
Reply to  Name*

I feel stupid, because I had a brain-crash when trying to find logical way in wich picture of a sexy woman is paedophilic in any way, shape or form from not-crazy-delusional point of view.
Why? Because there was no fucking child on the picture, unless that babe is freshly pregnant but not showing, thus idiots on the internet remain idiots.

News at 11, in other ways. Like Einstein once said, human capacity for stupidity is infinite, and thus they always find more ways to make me regret being born a human, too.

Keep strong Oliver! At least Hentai will dissapoint you only once, when the title don’t hint on content you dislike, and then you can return to tried and true works you love. :)

MHM
MHM
4 years ago

Short and to the point, my suggested way to deal with stuff like this if ever it shows itself:

Take about 10 seconds to do THIS (see picture below), then get on with your life, knowing that other people’s behavior doesn’t necessarily have to exercise any effect on yours.
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MarqFJA87
MarqFJA87
4 years ago

Just for clarity, when you say “alt-right-retards” to describe yourself, what the hell is that supposed to mean?

Khronos
Khronos
4 years ago
Reply to  MarqFJA87

Actually he’s saying that he pokes at (fact checks) ‘alt-right’ people and arguing that it doesn’t make him an SJW (though that may depend in part on how he defines ‘alt-right’ and the nature of the ‘facts’ he uses). Which is probably right given what I’ve read on this site over the years. I won’t say he’s the most objective person around, but then again the most objective person around would technically be a sociopath so that’s probably for the better.

Pavlov
Pavlov
4 years ago

I’m sorry you had to find out this way, Oliver, but it turns out that there are stupid people both for and against every cause there is. To put it another way, consider one of Niven’s Laws: “There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.” Just because there are stupid SJWs, it doesn’t mean that everything the SJWs stand for is wrong. And there are people who oppose them who are stupid. It turns out that stupidity isn’t exactly in short supply.

I was going to talk about time machines being pedophilia enablement devices but that sort of thing is just playing the moron game. I’m just going back to ignoring this shit.

B99
B99
4 years ago
Reply to  Pavlov

Ima have to agree with pavlov, there is only, in my (very) humble opinion, only a few truly consistent thing with the universe, being time only goes forward, we all gon’ die at some point or other, and the last is that stupidity knows no age,race or social boundaries.

Internet is to debating what the first firearm was to fighting : the great equalizer, meaning that even the smallest wimp could now take down giants in relative safety.

And sadly in both cases mixing that with stupid leads to unfortunate results.

format
format
4 years ago

eeh, this kinda stuff is best not to get drawn into one way or another – discourse has become too polarised.

someone put drawings on internet, some liked pictures, some didn’t. not everything needs to be responded to.

Balance12
Balance12
4 years ago

I just wanted to add to this simple rant, people that tend to be SJW are people that are addicted to being on the “good side” and that is like a rush of endorphins. Also we as a species we are not weak, rather is the lack of taking our own responsibility and that we always rely on things that generate escapism to live life on this reality. People can be good if they want to, it just that sometimes IMO is that they communicate that way because they do not know other mean of expressing themselves.

Goalposthead
Goalposthead
4 years ago
Reply to  Balance12

I absolutely agree with your point of view on SJW’s addiction to righteousness. In fact, I’ll go even further: they get a rush out of this and also solve their own insecurities. The most proeminents bigots are often the worse of the closeted deviants, in a way or another and that public attitude they adopt is also a way to make themselves “good” in their very own eyes despite their secret flaws.
Being good or bad, as ugly the fact can be, is strictly a matter of perspective. Good and evil are flawed concepts. As long as we function as a society, It’s all about what is acceptable or not in the eyes of said society. If it is unacceptable, then it’s labeled as evil or bad. Presenting oneself as a protector of what’s good is, rather, presenting oneself as an advocate of what society says is right. If we ever set foot on another inhabited planet where they have totally different customs, we might be in for a nasty shock :)
So… in the end, it’s not even about being right or wrong. It’s about being humble and admitting that what we defend are opinions molded by our experience of life and that of those who came before. Right and wrong simply make us more comfortable by telling us where we are supposed to stand as far as our social environment is concerned. There are those who adhere to it, those who deviate from it and also those who, in hubris, are convinced that their opinion defines the template of what is acceptable when they are not even a footnote in the history of their own culture. And that last group is exactly what SJW are.

oldbrokenhands
oldbrokenhands
4 years ago

Reading the posts, it’s like a combo of the Salem witch trials and what was happening in that French historical drama from 1996 called Ridicule.

Folks pumping themselves up by outing an imagined slight against society.

Sadly these cycles happen and it takes a sacrificial lamb to make folks come to their senses.

I know stuff like this is ruining comedy, watching the latest Dave Chappelle special and shaking my head while the critics are digging their knives into him.

In the future legalese will become a language and protocol that produces a bunch of bland, uninspiring people who complain that nothing exciting ever happens.

Lordlundar
Lordlundar
4 years ago

Eh, The ones going against Sakimichan are doing it just because they have a “gotcha” moment. They’ve never liked the artist because they think Saki’s “sold out” with commercial guides and such. (oh no! an artist actually making money! *sigh* The concept of a starving artist is not supposed to be a goal) And the real hypocrisy is I’d bet the ones complaining have been backing those article about how pedophilia is fine and supporting actual pedophiles.

Skå Vi Älska?
Skå Vi Älska?
4 years ago

Sakimichan has adulted and lewded Tsuyu Asui (Froppy from MHA) as well.

She’s 15 in the series. Have they had a crack at her for that as well? If not, their argument is not only invalid, it’s quite possibly projection.

Check the tweet from *sigh* ‘Vegitto the Unstoppable’ on the Sankaku page: “DELETE DIS. SHE’S OUR BABY! SHE MUS BE PROTECTED NOT LEWDED” – YOUR baby? Really, ‘Vegitto’? Why do you want to protect a cartoon character so bad – so you can keep her 14-year-old form for yourself?

Or maybe it’s because Sakimi is female. Perhaps it’d be alright if she was a guy, because a woman adulting and lewding their favourite underage characters destroys their fans’ childhoods or some bullshit. It’d be alright if another dude did it.

Morons gotta moron. *atomic facepalm*

Goalposthead
Goalposthead
4 years ago

Hmm I have a feeling that usually, a female would get a pass for most things “wrong” that a male could be punished for. It’s kinda the new normal in SJWland. Rather, it’ looks to me like a combo of idolatry and SJWness. I’ve seen plenty of cases where males were tarred and feathed for daring to lewd up any given character that a group of people idolized. These zealots, by the way, are not that different from the crazies who will try to stab their favorite idol if she doesn’t notice them. Fictional character have it easier :)

garhunt
garhunt
4 years ago

hey oliver I @ you on twitter but I want to elaborate on my point. I think this is just a wierd situation but I see why people reacted so strongly, it’s because the show is good and they got connected to the character who isn’t sexual in the show. that and recently sankaku complex got mad over a translation of “lolicon” to “pedophile” and one of the top shows this year had a character that was canonically 10 but suddenly aged to 20-22 for “story” reasons as well as a major voice actor being outed as a creep. It’s been a divisive year in anime more than usual.

As for me I don’t mind it is kind of squick though because the character is well written and well liked without relying on sex appeal. That and the expressed purpose of the art is a sexy version of a child character that people like as a child character.

I really don’t understand the “not real” argument it’s never the issue at hand and frankly it cheapens erotic art as a whole cause if someone draws porn of a subject we define it as that subject but when it’s (obvious) minors people start dodging like Neo. Rape, incest, BSDM, Guro/gore don’t face this type of scrutiny despite only one of those being legal.

PS apparently a pornstar who offered rather light criticism privatized her twitter likely cause of harassment. feels bad man

pizzaguy
pizzaguy
4 years ago

Thank you, Oliver.

nomnom
nomnom
4 years ago

soo, in 2004 after watching Harry potter and prisoner of Azkaban, I was fantasizing aging up Hermione Granger to 17-19yo.. does it count as pedophile?

MHM
MHM
4 years ago

Something perhaps worth considering: there’s an H-doujin series featuring aged-up versions of Misaka and Shirai from Index/Railgun (an E-Hentai gallery link of one of the works is below). I don’t claim to be a fan of either character, but IMHO, it would be equally stupid if some (oft-times self-proclaimed) SJW goes ballistic over the age-up (IIRC, their canon story time age is no more than 14 ).

https://e-hentai.org/g/1493164/b65209758e/